[image] Passphrases generator should use nonsense/fake words and place digits in multiple locations horse correct battery staple onion I understand that you did not mean this literally, but just as an example of what a 5-word diceware phrase might look like. However, to avoid misunderstanding…

[image] grb: technically, this particular passphrase only has 13 bits of entropy To me, the more relevant “technical” observation is that all the samples on this page are bad choices, including OP’s, yours, mine, and XKCD’s because they have now all been publicly mentioned. To keep the story…

[image] DenBesten: But that cap is not zero because there is no expectation that horse... would be tried first. :thinking: Hmmm… if you are concerned about order, I would say that the alternatives are horse correct battery staple onion and onion horse correct battery staple, so there would b…

[image] grb: Estimating entropy based on analysis of a single password That is the not what I said. A bit more context (with added emphasis) makes it clear that each of the samples are an example of what the particular methodology created or could have created: [image] Passphrases generat…

[image] DenBesten: [image] grb: Estimating entropy based on analysis of a single password That is the not what I said. When I wrote the quoted statement, I was not referring to your original comment , but rather to your response above . [image] DenBesten: Help me understand how one …

This conversation feels like it is rapidly diving into the pedantic. Password entropy does not change based on how many times, or even who cites the password. It only depends upon how it was generated. Since Randall claims 44 bits, that is what it has and will forever have. Whether the password…

I feel that any disagreement in this conversation is based only on miscommunication (which is one reason why I am attempting to be precise in my wording; perhaps this is what you are perceiving as pedantry). [image] DenBesten: It only depends upon how it was generated. I think we are both sa…

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